nkuttler 2017-01-20 22:52:18
cluelessperson: see /topic wrt ads
mryandao 2017-01-20 22:54:43
cluelessperson's link is malware?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 22:55:56
:-(
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 22:56:19
cluelessperson: Don't recommend people use Electrum. Electrum is really quite terrible for privacy.
mryandao 2017-01-20 22:56:44
i was about to ask if he was paid to promote electrum
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 22:57:09
Additionally, cluelessperson, you are giving an example seed, and you absolutely shouldn't do that. Some people will literally use that phrase exactly.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 22:58:00
And a proper fee doesn't guarantee a 10-minute confirmation time. Rather, sometimes blocks might arrive up to an hour, or more, apart from one another.
mryandao 2017-01-20 22:59:36
does BU care about privacy?
mryandao 2017-01-20 22:59:40
as much as Core does?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 22:59:44
Reconsider using actual private keys or non-bitcoin-eater public addresses too.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 22:59:59
Classic sure doesn't.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:00:10
I thought Classic was an _altcoin_
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:00:15
it was never bitcoin in my books
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:00:32
And to participate in bitcoin unlimited in any meaningful way, you have to sign a contract, and to perform leadership positions you have to divulge your real name. lol.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:00:35
So, no, it doesn't.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:00:41
lol. ok
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:00:49
wtf, a contract?
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:01:14
a BU dev alleges that Core plagarised xthins
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:01:20
Yes. Bitcoin Unlimited "members" are the ones who get to vote. And to be a member you have to sign something saying basically "rah rah BU, core sucks, I agree with all this stuff, signed blah"
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:01:29
s/plagarised/plagiarised/
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:01:59
also alleges that xthin and compact blocks are basically the same thing
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:02:10
Of course a BU dev alleges that. I mean why wouldn't they? The easiest thing in the world is to claim someone plagiarized you when the facts show the exact opposite insofar as BU refuses to credit core with the ideas they based xthin on.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:02:15
midnightmagic, those are very good points.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:03:01
Meanwhile they manually edit all the copyright notices in the source which I'm pretty sure is illegal. But who cares about that? Nobody's asking where the fuck their donations came from, which I find pretty unusual given they raise a huge stink about where *everyone else's* money comes from.
nkuttler 2017-01-20 23:03:52
midnightmagic: wat... that's most certainly not legal..
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:04:04
is the Bitcoin Foundation going to do something about that?
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:04:12
or they are pretty much Ver's cronies now?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:05:39
Bitcoin Foundation. What a joke. What a total, utter joke. Squandering away money on nepotistic appointments, opaque financials lost on some rando's laptop, off god-knows-where, a criminal set of original members -- in contravention of their own constitution -- and randomly paying a totally non-contrbiuting dev as he tried to disappear into semi-retired obscurity.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:06:21
@.@
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:06:29
sounds like some serious mismanagement
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:06:55
midnightmagic, what do you suggest for a bitcoin wallet?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:06:58
Who gets voted in? Some former child-star whose prior business dealings are basically as shady as they come, and who while sitting in his elected position *pumps fucking altcoins he invested in.*
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:07:50
:(
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:08:10
cluelessperson: There is only one solution-- bitcoin core running through a Tor node. But even then, run a tor node, and you get this, as the bitter wannabe-cryptogod-dev Matthew Green states: https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/525441833024110593?lang=en "I would liken Tor to putting on Sauron's ring. The wearer is invisible to ordinary beings, like Men, but highly visible to the Nazgûl."
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:08:53
midnightmagic, That is not even remotely reasonable to expect of your average person.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:09:00
is it because not enough people are using Tor?
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:09:22
the whole "security through obscurity" does not seem to work, in fact puts a bullseye on your node.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:09:40
No, it's because Tor is Tor, and e.g. the FBI uses *the mere use of tor* as justification to literally trying to hack *literally everyone running it.*
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:10:00
We should kill all corrupt politicians
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:10:09
cluelessperson: NO ILLEGALITIES
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:10:35
mryandao, In the US, treason carries the death sentence.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:10:46
mryandao, I'm not doing anything illega.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:10:52
Killing is a crime against humanity
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:11:13
If a man is raping your wife, is killing him wrong?
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:11:17
yes.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:11:36
cluelessperson: Using a full node should be a requirement for all people using bitcoin, even if it's just a pruned node and not a full archival node (as gmax calls it).
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:11:36
mryandao, I don't appreciate your trolling.
norotartagen 2017-01-20 23:11:52
if right is wrong, wrong is left, and left is right, then what is right wrong left?
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:11:59
midnightmagic, That is NOT at all reasonable to expect of your average person
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:12:20
Justified force. Equal and opposite. There's a reason why cops (regardless of whether they apply it correctly) have a force escalation procedure.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:12:53
cluelessperson: What can I say? Literally every other possible wallet completely destroys all privacy, or safety, or both.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:13:09
hence bitcoin is still Work in Progress.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:13:26
US politicians' decisions effect all of humanity. Anything less than attempting to protect and serve their country is high treason. They deserve death for it.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:14:24
Also, it's not a position that they accidentally fall into, they volunteer to take power, and swear oaths to the cause. Accepting bribes and acting in their own interest is evil. If they were open to "talking", they wouldn't be accepting bribes.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:14:59
Exxon not only hid climate data, they falsified records. People are literally dying today because of heat across our world and climate change. That is on them.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:15:06
cluelessperson: would you accept a favour from someone?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:15:28
Lots of people think lots of other people deserve death.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:15:52
there is simply no authority qualified enough to decide who deserves death
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:15:53
midnightmagic, The difference is that these people are in charge of billions.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:16:00
mryandao, Bull fucking shit.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:16:01
Lots of people think the death penalty is acceptable for filling out forms incorrectly.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:16:18
its sad, but its true.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:16:26
mryandao, It's not true.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:16:27
Or making a mistake in the meat packaging plant.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:16:40
Or spitting on the sidewalk.
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:16:43
midnightmagic, what do people have to sign to run BU?
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:16:44
mryandao, and the answer is NO, I will not accept favors at the expense of my people.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:16:46
Or cutting other people off in line.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:17:17
midnightmagic, Making a law that fucks over your people you swore to is drastically different from making a mistake.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:17:20
Xanather: Not to run it. I didn't say that. I said to participate meaningfully in it. Non-members can't vote on project concerns, for example, no matter how much bitcoin they own.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:17:55
well cluelessperson, one man's gain is another man's loss
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:18:13
mryandao, That's horse shit, and you're a coward for preaching that.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:18:18
Xanather: Neither am I going to link to the contract because the website de-anonymizes visitors.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:18:24
I try to avoid hypocrisy.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:19:10
mryandao, At a certain point, the gain is insubstantial, and meaningless, yet to the other, meaningful.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:19:44
mryandao, Purposely imbalancing (cheating), using rule of LAW against your own people, is treason.
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:20:07
midnightmagic, de-anonymizes visitors?
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:21:23
cluelessperson: the road to power is trecherous, even a righteous human being would eventually be swayed once he/she tasted power.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:21:32
mryandao, bullshit.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:21:43
sigh.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:21:51
mryandao, That says that all rich people are evil / abusive, and that is clearly horse shit
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:21:56
Xanather: Nearly all the -xt, -classic, and -unlimited websites and supporting websites, including the place where buips are published, block tor and all VPN exit points, and known VPS hosting companies, from visiting. They also block web archival sites. One in particular has an admin who, upon announcing his forum, didn't know it blocked Tor *literally on announcement.*
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:22:04
mryandao, stop spouting stupid crap at me and deal with reality.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:22:14
what I am saying is reality.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:22:18
You can be all philosophical, but realisitically, your wife is still getting raped until you do something abou tit.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:22:30
cluelessperson: Actually, science suggests rich people are, in fact, less ethical and less moral on average.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:22:40
mryandao, or just face her afterwards and tell her how, "violence is wrong"
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:22:53
you need to chill, cluelessperson
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:22:56
mryandao, you're a troll, don't think I'm not seeing that.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:23:03
mryandao, NO, I will not chill, you troll.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:23:25
Corrupt politicians should die, swiftly and violently. It should be our culture to hunt them down in droves so none are left.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:23:28
@.@
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:23:43
Right, because a mob sure knows how to tell the guilty from the innocent.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:23:46
are you from /r/btc by anychance?
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:24:18
midnightmagic, so you think those sites are selling personal data (why else would they do that) or just some other conspiracy
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:24:26
I mean it's not like there's an entire developed system of justice designed specifically to be more accurate in finding actually guilty people or something..
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:24:47
Xanather, conspiracy sounds debasing. Governments like the NSA and some think tanks will use that data.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:25:01
midnightmagic, There isn't.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:25:03
Xanather: Considering post-visit to one of them I get people on IRC demanding I stop using my "Finnish" IP address, yeah, they do appear to share the data with each other for political purposes.
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:25:32
you have a finnish ip?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:25:38
cluelessperson: It has an accuracy quite a bit more reliable than a blind angry mob. There's an entire branch of science devoted to it.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:25:42
midnightmagic, That "system of justice" has a 96%+ conviction rate of poor civilians, and it falls off drastically for rich people.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:25:49
I did when I visited one of those websites.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:25:56
midnightmagic, No, it doesn't.
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:25:59
:D
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:26:16
why did they demand you stop using the finnish address?
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:26:32
midnightmagic, We're not talking about lynching black people, we're talking about pure corruption. Pocketing money and fucking your people. That's a standard unlike, "a black man slept with a white woman"
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:27:04
Anduck: Presumably because they knew I am Canadian, and also because I'm sure they wanted to let me know they knew I visited the website.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:27:05
A violent mob is MUCH more accurate in that regard
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:27:09
cluelessperson, it much easier to define it as crony capitalism
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:27:21
midnightmagic: which site was it?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:27:24
Anduck: Cowardly semi-anonymous scum gonna scum.
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:27:29
pretty interesting
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:27:30
midnightmagic, and honestly, at a certain point, a couple of innocent people dying is worth it to secure the rest of our futures.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:27:36
Anduck: The one where BUIP are published.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:27:40
although innocent lives taken should be avoided.
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:27:44
i'll go visit their sites with my finnish rotating ip addresses now and forever
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:27:50
midnightmagic, how could they relate your IP to your identity
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:27:57
Xanather, easily?
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:28:08
i often find myself banned from sites.. because the ip is so shared/rotated :D
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:28:18
cluelessperson, not really
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:28:28
Xanather, ahhhh, okay, I suggest you look up the term, "meta data" and the standards for meta data identification through common points.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:28:32
spin up a vps and use it in a disposable fashion?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:28:33
Xanather: I'm going to refrain from describing how I think they did that.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:28:50
requires trusting said vps provider though :/
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:29:03
Xanather, Basically, "Male, Texas, Fort Worth, Bitcoin, Chocolate Milk" is enough to narrow you down to your street.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:29:38
cluelessperson: It's not a couple of people dying. It's five people, at least, for every hundred, and that's presuming you maintain the *current* estimates of certain serious crime misconviction rates.
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:29:52
cluelessperson, I know what meta data is, and based on that you are assuming the people who host bitcoin unlimited sites have access to meta data from other streams
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:30:04
anyways, is there an article describing the difference between xthin and compact blocks?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:30:27
cluelessperson: Meanwhile, it turns out that juries who know if they return a guilty verdict, know they're sending someone to the death penalty, will also often refuse to return said guilty verdict.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:30:47
midnightmagic, Honestly, I'm just wanting to high profile corruption right now. It's unlikely innocents would be caught in that. Hilary, Trump, Mayor of New York, NYPD, LAPD, Rick Perry, etc.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:30:54
So, they go free to do this thing called recidivism.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:31:24
cluelessperson: Well, the French Revolution did something like that.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:31:45
cluelessperson: There, at least they were honest about their intentions-- being rich was by itself basically a death sentence.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:31:48
It took fighting and blood to earn our rights. It will take fighting and blood to earn them again.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:32:03
Soak the earth with the blood of patriots.. and then who's left?
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:32:06
midnightmagic, Again, my proposed standard is, "politician that shirked his oath"
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:32:28
politician == swore an oath to do job X
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:32:34
By what standard? It's impossible. The best thing you can hope for is that power decentralizes.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:32:42
shirked his oath == blatantly did things to harm others, for his benefit
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:33:01
midnightmagic, power decentralizes?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:33:11
Again, by whose standard? And what happens when the media reports an otherwise honest politician as dishonest because some fabricated reason Y?
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:33:15
they can't enjoy that power/wealth if they are dead.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:33:51
Who owns the source of information for that? CNN's little puppetmaster shitheads? Fox's insane O"Reilly types?
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:33:57
midnightmagic, What do you mean what standard, that IS the standard.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:34:12
There's no way to concretely define that.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:34:15
midnightmagic, They are considered to be politicians. They went on TV and lied
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:34:39
Okay. Meanwhile a false narrative can fit any true facts.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:35:05
I don't know what that means. I feel like you're searching out cracks and claiming collapse in the point.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:35:44
Also, the contractual basis for ones death would leave you completely without any politicians whatsoever.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:36:03
midnightmagic, how so?
TheButterZone 2017-01-20 23:36:07
put them under fMRI to determine guilt of capital offenses
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:36:20
Some politicians are legitimately trying to do good for their nation.
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:36:21
midnightmagic, so why is it policy to spread conspiracies about non-Bitcoin core projects and not the other way here
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:36:21
Who would want to be a politician if some random mob who thinks they broke a contract can legally pop by and kill them at any moment?
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:36:58
midnightmagic, Not "broke a contract", I specified, betraying their people
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:37:13
Not one act, not "I think abortion is wrong"
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:37:14
Xanather: Conspiracies? Literally the only thing you can't verify is that I got a PM one day that told me to stop using a Finnish IP address. From memory, there literally isn't a single other thing I said which you can't verify yourself. So, the answer to your absurd question is "The facts."
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:37:24
why not, Anarchy?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:37:26
cluelessperson: Okay. Then it becomes:
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:37:30
every man for himself.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:37:43
mryandao, stop trolling with that weak ass shit. :P
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:37:48
Who would want to be a politician if some random mob who thinks they were betrayed can legally pop by and kill them at any moment?
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:38:33
midnightmagic, The entire point here is that the people have the power. The people would be able to demand an explanation. Corruption cannot be explained. Complex issues can be explained.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:38:44
And what happens when another mob who likes the pandering pops by to stop the first mob? You think all those people are identically minded?
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:39:01
midnightmagic, even if that was a fact how does that prove the source was from any non-core site, IP's can be doxed easily
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:39:13
Then you're not killing politicians, you're killing civilians.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:39:18
You try explaining the power dynamics of international politics to random 6th-grade educated lynchmob participant.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:39:22
Being a politician should carry risk.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:39:34
Being a politician should carry bravery, and honor.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:39:48
This "ultimate protection" they have now, is wrong.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:40:15
Xanather: I'm saying, ignore that one fact and the rest of the facts are verifiable facts which you can double-check. The nonsense about core-as-monolithic-evil are generally completely fact-free.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:40:22
midnightmagic, We could go on forever, I'm sorry for responding to the flamer in here on politics.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:40:25
midnightmagic: LOL.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:40:32
I'm just fearful for my country and people.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:41:00
Xanather: In other words, since you are insinuating that I am simply lying, I am saying, fine, assume for the sake of argument that I am lying, and the rest of the facts are no less true, and no less prove my assertion.
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:41:19
midnightmagic, I wasnt saying you we're lying
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:41:19
cluelessperson: Switzerland has a pretty democratic system, where representatives are directly accountable to their constituents.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:41:24
politicans are also not full-time jobs
TheButterZone 2017-01-20 23:41:37
bring back dueling.
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:41:53
bring back "stronger kills weaker"?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:41:56
cluelessperson: It's okay man, I know we could. It's an old problem. Older than written history.
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:42:00
the people get to start a referendum in a relatively _easier_ process
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:42:11
to reject government legislations
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:42:22
whether or not it'll work in the US, that's an entirely different story.
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:42:30
midnightmagic, I prefer several innocent's death, to millions suffering under tyranny.
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:42:36
Xanather: You said what I was saying was conspiracy. Conspiracy theories are typically goundless..?
TheButterZone 2017-01-20 23:42:37
dueling with pistols is not survival of the fittest
cluelessperson 2017-01-20 23:42:50
midnightmagic, especially if those several innocents are specifically politicians who stepped up to that risk and earned the honor of being in power
mryandao 2017-01-20 23:42:51
first, you need a population that cares about politics and be sufficiently educated to make well-informed decisions
Xanather 2017-01-20 23:43:18
midnightmagic its just absurd to type in it a way that suggests bitcoinunlimited.info was 100% behind it when that conclusion needs more arguments, "I visited BU site, someone said to stop using my Finnish IP"
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:43:35
Xanather: That's not where BUIPs are published..?
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:43:52
And, I would strongly recommend people not visit that without a VPN or Tor.
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:43:53
they are
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:44:05
That's new then.
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:44:07
i also found that site when i googled for buips
Anduck 2017-01-20 23:44:20
another one is github
midnightmagic 2017-01-20 23:44:31
Formerly, it was a forum discussion site. Simultaneous publishing on the .info site I'm pretty sure doesn't imply canonicity.
