mikes 2017-01-13 09:46:50
i have Lauda but no suggestions have worked, hence why i'm back for the 4 th time
Lauda 2017-01-13 09:47:02
You're doing something wrong.
Lauda 2017-01-13 09:47:32
DM me the TX ID
mikes 2017-01-13 09:47:51
complete reinstall of the latest bitcoin wallet & reloaded my wallet. Still showing transaction & missing bitcoin
abpa 2017-01-13 09:48:13
catlasshrugged is the OBPP a ranking? Like in the OBPP ranking Breadwallet, Airbitz, Ledger are considered more privacy preserving than Bitcoin-QT?
mikes 2017-01-13 09:48:32
am i allowed to stare tx? got kicked off last time
mikes 2017-01-13 09:48:37
share
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 09:48:44
abpa: obpp is an organzation that has produced reports previously that included rankings of wallets, but this is not related.
abpa 2017-01-13 09:48:51
Another privacy thing to think about catlasshrugged maybe is the coin selection algorithm
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 09:49:11
catlasshrugged: has the unethical conduct in the project been resolved? like intentionally giving fasly low ranking to Bitcoin Core and not downranking wallets for sending all the users addresses to bc.i?
abpa 2017-01-13 09:49:40
I read something that Bitcoin Core change selection might give away in some situations that the transaction was created with Bitcoin QT
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 09:49:42
gmaxwell: Bitcoin Core was never given an intentionally low ranking
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 09:50:28
catlasshrugged: Yes it was, shall I start publishing the emails? It published outright incorrect ranking and declined to correct them, making it pretty clear that it was intentional.
abpa 2017-01-13 09:50:35
I noticed also that Electrum has added an option to allow users to prioritize privacy in coin selection over economy
Lauda 2017-01-13 09:50:42
mikes who told you to reinstall wallet?
Lauda 2017-01-13 09:50:45
That makes no sense.
abpa 2017-01-13 09:50:57
mikes addresses aren't allowed but tx ids are
Lauda 2017-01-13 09:50:57
I told you to DM the TX ID, not to post it here. Posting here = autokick/Ban
Lauda 2017-01-13 09:51:03
ah yeah address*
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 09:51:21
gmaxwell: based on some (your?) feedback we made a couple of small changes with a new edition of the last report
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 09:51:42
of course, this has absolutely nothing to do with intentionality
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 09:51:45
catlasshrugged: and left most of it unchanged, even though it was outright wrong.
mikes 2017-01-13 09:52:14
the guys on here told me to dot it as zap, rescan didn't work
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 09:52:37
it's absurd, you rank wallets highly that send lists of all their addresses to third party servers, while downranking ones that have actual privacy.
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 09:52:51
please feel free to submit any changes you see fit in a git issue: https://github.com/OpenBitcoinPrivacyProject/wallet-ratings
piqure 2017-01-13 09:52:52
^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 09:53:06
I'm not going to discuss that separate project any further with you on IRC
grubles 2017-01-13 09:53:23
why? that's not very open.
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 09:54:52
catlasshrugged: okay want to talk about threats, The biggest threat to Bitcoin user privacy is people that claim to care about privacy but instead give people bad advice that robs them of their privacy, in favor of advancing their commercial, political, or survailance ends.
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 09:55:26
Since how can users have privacy if there are loud highly polished subversive efforts telling them the wrong things to do?
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 09:55:43
*yawn*
grubles 2017-01-13 09:55:55
darkwallet is #5? that isn't even developed anymore iirc.
grubles 2017-01-13 09:56:09
breadwallet is #2? it's an iOS app ffs.
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 09:56:25
I don't have time for people who cannot read
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 09:56:39
if you cannot read, you definitely cannot provide useful technical feedback
grubles 2017-01-13 09:56:47
i'm reading the scores
pigeons 2017-01-13 09:56:54
same approach as last year it seems so same criticisms
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 09:57:20
grubles: yes, and darkwallet depends on third party scanning service where you sent your addresses (and chaining values)... not very private.
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 09:57:58
Though at least the service people were using wasn't run by someone known to share their data with tracking firms... unlike some of the other highly rated options.
grubles 2017-01-13 09:58:10
hive doesn't even exist anymore
pigeons 2017-01-13 09:58:26
last years gave a closed source wallet for mobile that sent your addresses to bc.1 good scores and the contributers to the report i read produced that wallet
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 09:59:35
gmaxwell: your unwillingness to collaborate is duly noted, and has been for a while.
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 09:59:46
wtf?!
grubles 2017-01-13 09:59:52
lol give me a break
abpa 2017-01-13 10:00:09
Any light wallet is going to be difficult to make optimally privacy preserving
grubles 2017-01-13 10:00:12
catlasshrugged> I'm not going to discuss that separate project any further with you on IRC
grubles 2017-01-13 10:00:17
what is that then ^
pigeons 2017-01-13 10:01:26
there was a lot of good faith suggestions made to this group last time until it was clearly being ignored
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:01:33
lol
Lauda 2017-01-13 10:01:57
PSA: Don't help that mikes guy. Seems to be a troll.
grubles 2017-01-13 10:02:27
catlasshrugged, are you kristov or daniel?
SnakePlissLA 2017-01-13 10:02:49
anyone else here having issues with Coinbase's SMS auth?
abpa 2017-01-13 10:05:13
You should avoid SMS authentication and switch to Google Authenticator or something else
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:05:28
abpa: do you think that coin selection is a "top" threat? I think it can help for sure, but the effect is pretty limited because you often have to craft unintentional heterogenous input script transactions anyway.
grubles 2017-01-13 10:05:34
lol "privacy ratings methodology" ... "the number of clicks or taps needed to perform an action is converted to a score according to..." <- wat
SnakePlissLA 2017-01-13 10:05:39
id love to sswitch if I could even get in
Sonolin 2017-01-13 10:05:51
... wow what a load of sh*t
grubles 2017-01-13 10:06:00
how # of clicks relates to privacy is beyond me
abpa 2017-01-13 10:06:08
I've heard that a very large percentage of transactions can be identified via coin selection analysis but I haven't seen the full data so I'm not sure
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:06:42
sure, it's certainly way to fingerprint a particular client.
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:06:43
catlasshrugged: 0_o if you don't think it is, you don't understand the space.
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:07:06
there are many other ways, and fingerprinting a particularly client will only get you so far
grubles 2017-01-13 10:07:11
catlasshrugged, how does # of clicks translate into enhanced privacy?
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:07:12
that isn't the point at all, smart coin selection can either avoid or worsen address interlinkage.
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:07:29
gmaxwell: yup im aware
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:07:37
Many of the OBPP highly rated wallets have FIFO selection that is basically the worst possible coin selection for privacy.
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:07:44
gmaxwell: that doesn't contradict anything I just said
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:07:52
espeically if users reuse addresses at all.
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:08:16
wow, earnestly surprised that it listed address reuse. an actual issue.
abpa 2017-01-13 10:08:50
One solution I've heard proposed is that there should be a set of generic coin selection algorithms that wallets implement, to avoid each wallet coming up with its own that can be fingerprinted
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:09:08
that would be cool.
abpa 2017-01-13 10:09:57
Unfortunately we have a trade-off between privacy and economics
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:09:59
the problem for wallet developers is generally that they want to balance the privacy loss against other challenges, such as fee minimization and utxo growth within the wallet.
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:10:00
"Software can also generate user-friendly, reuse-safe addresses by utilizing Diffie-Hellman key exchange protocols, as exemplified by "stealth" addresses" not useful advice, all specs on that are dead due; any progress is slow because delegated scanning kills privacy bad, and reuse of the scanning codes is less private than normal random addresses in common use cases. E.g. user spends to GamblingSit
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:10:06
e from coinbase and gets banned, a stealth address there actually makes things much worse. :( hard problem.
abpa 2017-01-13 10:10:10
Yeah that
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:10:32
catlasshrugged: there isn't generally a real fee minimization tradeoff.. you're going to spend the input eventually... spending it earlier is generally cheaper overall.
abpa 2017-01-13 10:10:45
You also may anticipate the value of the coin going up in the future, therefore you may want to consolidate now when it's cheaper rather than waiting until later
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:10:53
why, because fees are going up over time?
abpa 2017-01-13 10:11:10
Block space is getting more expensive
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:11:12
yes. so long as they aren't going _down_ there isn't too much of a tradeoff.
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:11:28
fair point, so long as fees are rising.
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:11:33
or constant.
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:11:44
hello
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:11:50
can someone please help me
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:12:02
I agree that the stealth address spec is not doing that great, although I know of at least one wallet still using a stealth address implementation
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:12:03
even if they're going down, if adding more inputs makes the change value more useful, it can reduce fees. but thats harder to reason about.
abpa 2017-01-13 10:12:21
Another thing I've heard is that some people don't use RBF and they want their coin selection algorithm to actually create extra UTXOs if they are running low so that they don't create too-long chains
catlasshrugged 2017-01-13 10:12:31
there's also reusable payment codes, which I think are overall privacy superior for average users.
grubles 2017-01-13 10:12:37
catlasshrugged, why was an older version of core reviewed for the 2016 report? 0.12 came out in feb.
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:13:22
I just attempted to transfer bitcoins from my coinbase wallet to my bitcoin core wallet and it says that the transfer was completed but my core wallet still has a balance of 0. Does anyone know what happened
abpa 2017-01-13 10:13:27
Didn't it turn out that it was very difficult to make those scalable?
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:13:30
catlasshrugged: an address isn't really useful until pratically anyone can sent to it... and until the crypto problems of being able to scan without having the whole chain or losing your privacy completely to the scanner is solved...I don't expect it to make much progress.
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:14:54
grubles: maybe for the same reason it uses a screenshot from 2012.
fireduck 2017-01-13 10:15:26
uy2121: Is your bitcoin core up to date? Has it downloaded all blocks?
fireduck 2017-01-13 10:15:59
uy2121: If it hasn't, then it probably just hasn't gotten to the block with the transaction for you in it yet
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:16:16
it says 3 years and 6 weeks behind
grubles 2017-01-13 10:16:21
gmaxwell, and "Bitcoin-Qt" doesn't even exist anymore
grubles 2017-01-13 10:16:25
nor did it exist in 2016
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:16:45
it says synchronizing with network
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:16:57
so do i just have to wait until that finishes?
fireduck 2017-01-13 10:17:12
uy2121: yep. Once it finishes it should keep itself up to date when you run it
fireduck 2017-01-13 10:17:19
so it should only be slow this once
gmaxwell 2017-01-13 10:17:19
uy2121: yep, you'll see it when it finishs the sync.
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:17:39
oh wow i was just bugging out for a second
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:17:46
thank you guys I appriciate it
abpa 2017-01-13 10:17:57
It can take a while to sync
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:18:22
gotcha also do you guys know if alphabaymarket is reliable
abpa 2017-01-13 10:19:07
no illegality in topic
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:19:16
how long do you think it will take for 3 years and 6 weeks to update? lol
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:19:25
oh ok sorry
abpa 2017-01-13 10:19:27
It depends on your bandwidth and computer
abpa 2017-01-13 10:19:36
From 24 hours to 2 weeks
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:19:56
any recomendations to make it load faster?
abpa 2017-01-13 10:20:15
You could increase the dbcache with the command line option
abpa 2017-01-13 10:21:04
Also check if you are running the latest version
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:22:28
it is 13.1 and i think the newest is 13.2
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:22:48
if I update will it erase any of the stuff I have currently?
abpa 2017-01-13 10:23:03
No but you should always make a backup of your wallet.dat file
abpa 2017-01-13 10:23:36
0.13.1 should be fine though
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:24:10
ok I just backed up my wallet. Sorry for not really knowing anything I am new to bitcoin wallets
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:24:41
how do you use the backup dat files if i need to pull it back up
abpa 2017-01-13 10:24:59
You just shut down Bitcoin Core and drop the files where you backed them up from
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:27:15
is that the open URI?
abpa 2017-01-13 10:27:46
You drop them into the Bitcoin Core data directory which is different depending on platform or if you customized it
uy2121 2017-01-13 10:33:31
ok thanks alot abpa, I really appreciate it
