gmaxwell 2017-01-11 11:45:11
mryandao: well I compiled the software myself using an older computer. and then compared it to a copy compiled on my desktop.
trotski2000 2017-01-11 11:45:43
I also believe that Core is the most secure wallet because is the more peer reviewed and there are a lot of talented eyes on it. That's a very personal opinion though
berndj 2017-01-11 11:46:02
one day older computers will have value again as known-unspooked machines
gmaxwell 2017-01-11 11:46:33
mryandao: but really, for just wallet usage, your threat model is probably not spooks.
gmaxwell 2017-01-11 11:46:40
so you don't have to try _that_ hard.
trotski2000 2017-01-11 11:46:46
mryandao: I check the sigs of the distro.
berndj 2017-01-11 11:47:18
trotski2000, what really bothers me about this stuff is that it's trust turtles all the way down
rapscal 2017-01-11 11:47:27
berndj, oh don't get me started on that topic, I was rooting around my laptops bios and had to google what computrace was. ffs what happened to our motherboards.
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 11:48:10
berndj: That day is today. I have an Amiga I'm confident has no on-silicon backdoors in it.
arubi 2017-01-11 11:48:12
don't google intel AMT \ ME
gmaxwell 2017-01-11 11:48:23
well my wallet computers are pre-AMT.
TD-Linux 2017-01-11 11:48:37
midnightmagic, please you still have ASICs. I'm really confident in my apple II
berndj 2017-01-11 11:49:03
midnightmagic, but does it have _value_ for that purpose (loosely worded. can you *sell* it for a price roughly equal to that value?)
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 11:49:05
My Amiga can still run gpg..
arubi 2017-01-11 11:49:20
well gmaxwell we have to remember this too: https://blog.kaspersky.com/equation-hdd-malware/7623/ :)
piqure 2017-01-11 11:49:21
^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 11:49:46
berndj: Ah, you mean generally? Well an Amiga-compatible 100bT ethernet card goes for like $250 on eBay right now, but I don't think it's because the machines are known-unspooked.
rapscal 2017-01-11 11:50:16
well I guess my next comp will be AMD cpu. thanks arubi, thanks a lot.
alt0id 2017-01-11 11:50:21
hello
alt0id 2017-01-11 11:50:28
1 question, when will segwit get activated?
arubi 2017-01-11 11:50:32
AMD has those remote managements too :)
TD-Linux 2017-01-11 11:50:36
midnightmagic, my apple II can run libsecp256k1. (sort of)
alt0id 2017-01-11 11:50:40
or mimblewimble by any means?
alt0id 2017-01-11 11:50:58
and also, how will segwit affect the current fee market, how much will they increase?
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 11:51:16
TD-Linux: lol How many verifies/sec? Like 2? I wonder how fast my VIC=20 is..
arubi 2017-01-11 11:51:25
actually I was trying to run libsecp256k1 on a sansa clip +.. I can't get it to build as a plugin for rockbox yet :(
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 11:51:28
alt0id: Wow do you have a crappy nickname. lol
TD-Linux 2017-01-11 11:51:28
your VIC-20 probably doesn't have enough RAM.
trotski2000 2017-01-11 11:51:35
arubi: we've been focusing for long on open software. I guess is time to give some love to open hardware.
TD-Linux 2017-01-11 11:52:19
midnightmagic, so I only ran pieces of it because a) I need to modify it somewhat to take less ram b) my method of sending code to the apple II is a bit sub optimal atm and I should get an emulator set up
alt0id 2017-01-11 11:52:28
TD-Linux: excuse me?
arubi 2017-01-11 11:52:30
trotski2000, maybe eventually. it's too much work right now :)
bbrox 2017-01-11 11:52:55
So whats up with the PBOC investigation? Any news?
TD-Linux 2017-01-11 11:52:57
trotski2000, oh that's right I should try benchmarking libsecp256k1 on my risc-v.
trotski2000 2017-01-11 11:53:29
TD-Linux: sounds fun :D
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 11:54:01
I have a RAM expansion cartridge that increases it to 16.
rapscal 2017-01-11 11:55:17
when the hardware can't be trusted, using something like tails live usb and staying offline, what could go wrong in that scenario?
trotski2000 2017-01-11 11:56:20
rapscal: if the hardware is compromised you are SOL in any case
Lauda 2017-01-11 11:57:18
bbrox nothing, just a standard check
trotski2000 2017-01-11 11:58:04
The good old days in which wiping the hd of a machine was guarantee of a non compromised machine are over.
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 11:59:10
vice c64 is good as an emulator.
alt0id 2017-01-11 11:59:34
are there cheap TREZOR like coldwallets out in te market?
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 11:59:39
Was it ever really a guarantee though.
alt0id 2017-01-11 11:59:45
i would really like to own one but alas :/
rapscal 2017-01-11 11:59:57
trezor isn't open hardware either tho.
trotski2000 2017-01-11 12:00:32
midnightmagic: probably not.
mryandao 2017-01-11 12:01:02
the controller in hard disks, are they open hardware?
TD-Linux 2017-01-11 12:01:22
nope
trotski2000 2017-01-11 12:01:33
mryandao: no
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 12:01:52
rapscal: trezor's firmware seems to be open. I wonder if their bootloader is complicated. Anyway the circuitry is fairly simple, so probably a dump of any non-open contents should be simple.
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:02:11
midnightmagic: Bootloader is open source
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:02:30
midnightmagic: Jochen Hoenicke managed to get a deterministic match of the firmware shipped with the old devices
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:02:39
midnightmagic: The new devices ship with firmware built from the source
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:02:45
s/firmware/bootloader/
nkuttler 2017-01-11 12:02:51
the new devices are already out?
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:03:01
nkuttler: No, new TREZOR 1 devices
nkuttler 2017-01-11 12:03:09
ah :)
trotski2000 2017-01-11 12:03:15
midnightmagic: I'd love to see a thorough Trezor audit. Until then I wouldn't trust it with life changing amounts of btc.
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 12:03:47
oh. well there you go then.
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:04:14
rapscal: https://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-tech/hardware.html
piqure 2017-01-11 12:04:15
^^^ WARNING: any URL may lead directly or indirectly to COIN-STEALING MALWARE! ^^^
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:04:31
Oops
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:04:33
Wrong link
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:04:41
Nope
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:04:44
Not wrong link :)
midnightmagic 2017-01-11 12:04:56
spudowiar: Is the bootloader portion part of the firmware they show you how to build? Or is it separate but similarly replaceable with the command-line?
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:05:12
It's very similar to build
spudowiar 2017-01-11 12:05:23
make -C bootloader instead of make -C firmware
bbrox 2017-01-11 12:12:25
@Lauda markets reacted with 400 USD devaluation of BTC to that "standart check" of PBOC
Diablo-D3 2017-01-11 12:12:49
tbh it seeems a lot of that action was spooked chinese
bbrox 2017-01-11 12:13:25
Or deep pockets.. true. But what i want to know when we will know if that PBOC check is over?
TheButterZone 2017-01-11 12:20:23
when btc starts to recover from 1 CNY
TheButterZone 2017-01-11 12:21:30
china government/quasi-government is shorting hard
septianuciha 2017-01-11 12:22:34
bitcoin down again
Lauda 2017-01-11 12:26:33
bbrox it's a standard check
Lauda 2017-01-11 12:26:37
There's nothing to id.
Lauda 2017-01-11 12:26:48
Market is irrational, thus why free market idea of anything in Bitcoin is a joke.
vjacob 2017-01-11 12:29:19
last I checked it was coming back up, seems a good time to buy actually
dane123 2017-01-11 12:29:25
hey i have no id and am using a mastercard that coinbase is not accepting is there anywhere else i can go to purchase bitcoins?
Lauda 2017-01-11 12:31:04
dane123 localbitcoins
vjacob 2017-01-11 12:31:18
Kraken graphs stopped working
vjacob 2017-01-11 12:31:33
getting the ol' 404
TheButterZone 2017-01-11 12:31:54
the kraken is resting before it's released again
dane123 2017-01-11 12:32:04
TY
